There you can google all about it. It seem like Christmas trees and Sunday sun worship may also be related as well. I also recommend googling about the holiday of Easter. I have been reading about Easter as being a celebration for a fertility goddess and not the resurrection of Jesus. Who has worked so hard to keep that secret?
The church does not teach what the bible say,s it states in jeremiah that he was not born in december, this has been fabricated by evil men of power, the pastors go along with what they are told to teach that is why churches are tax exempt. It is that simple to understand. I never knew about Nimrod or that is was a pagan holiday as a child; I celebrated Jesus's birth. It was all about Jesus. We performed cantatas at church and so forth.
Just because it is celebrated on a pagan holiday does not mean that you are celebrating that holiday. The only time a pagan god is celebrated or worshiped is when you choose to worship them; you direct your praise to their name and make sure everyone knows that is the focus of your celebration. Nimrod nor any other pagan god was ever mentioned, nor was he worshiped.
If anything, by worshiping our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, his name is being praised instead of a pagan god on that day, and that is always a good thing. You cannot celebrate something you do not have in your heart. The day noted as December 25 has always belonged to the Lord, not Nimrod. The Lord created the day, not Nimrod.
Nimrod is nothing. Jesus is everything. If people celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25 and you do not, what is that to you?
If people celebrate it as His birth, then fine. John —Jesus notes His birth is inextricably connected to His ministry and His death. So when we celebrate His death and resurrection, we celebrate His birth. When we celebrate His birth, we celebrate His death and resurrection. Or for another, Epiphany on January 6th does not honor the birth but the baptism and the visit by the Magi. Celebrating a birthday without a birth?
There are plenty more! But there are bigger issues we should focus on. The three big problems with Hoeh's claims are, 1 he has to keep saying that the solstice occurred on dates when it did not, 2 he has to say the solstice was generally ignored even though it was supposedly the truly important factor in his equation, and 3 his math is all wrong.
It is a crude fact of history that the solstice was most likely not on December 25th in BC. In order to understand this, I need to bore you with a little history about the Roman calendar. I will try to make this as painless as I can. Please, don't skip past this, though.
It's important to know for later on. Their calendar was originally only days long and had ten months, with a huge month-less winter gap. There were no months in winter at all. The first month was March, and the last month was December, but December was in autumn.
It was the tenth month. For centuries, the winter solstice was in no month whatsoever. The calendar was so confusing that in the 's BC they added two months — January at the start of the year and February at the end of the year. You read that right; February used to come at the other end of the year from January. For several centuries the winter solstice should have been in February. Problem was, due to a superstition against even numbers they only allowed days in their year, so their calendar was still horribly inaccurate.
Every once in a while they would add an extra month to correct the year. Around BC or so, February was moved from the end of the year to where we know it now; between January and March. Now December was the last month again, and now it generally fell in winter. What this means is that only after BC did the winter solstice have any chance of falling in December. Any claim about December and the solstice prior to BC are absolutely impossible!
But this still doesn't mean the solstice fell on December 25th. Just because December is a winter month doesn't mean the solstice is on December 25th. December is our winter month now, as you read this, yet the solstice is not on December 25th, and hasn't been for almost 1, years. Their calendar was often months out of sync. The Roman officials who were in charge of the calendar would often purposely manipulate it for political ends.
Almost nothing was reliably on a given date. Now, here comes the truly important part. He also added two days to December. December used to only have 29 days; now it has He also set it up so that the solstice was on December 25th. This is the calendar system that we know as the Julian calendar.
To reiterate: Only after 46 BC did December have 31 days. Only after 46 BC was the solstice more or less reliably on December 25 th. The solstice was only reliably on December 25 th only for a little more than one century. By the second century AD, December 25 was no longer the date of the solstice.
You still with me? Hoeh claimed the solstice fell on days it didn't -- days that it couldn't. Remember, Hoeh inadvertently claims no one cared when the all important solstice was anyhow.
I told you all of that so you could know for certain that Hoeh's claims are built on how things work today. He attacks holidays as we see them today. He failed to adjust his claims for how things worked anciently.
When we think it through, everything falls to pieces. And it's about to get worse! I haven't yet explained why Hoeh's math is wrong. As we just saw, this claim is utterly false. This claim is inexcusably false. Every one of those claims are wrong.
But just take a look at the calendar problem. Hoeh is crediting the calendar of Julius Caesar ca. In fact, Hoeh is crediting the calendar of Julius Caesar to Nimrod ca. Alexander died some years before Caesar was even born! No one did! Keep in mind that Alexander never conquered Rome. Alexander had no say in the Roman calendar or their religion. Alexander was a Greek emperor. He spent most of his time in Asia. So why did Hoeh mention Alexander the Great at all? It all has to do with math The foundational claim in this entire article is that in BC the solstice was on January 6.
This is the cornerstone. Everything hinges on this. Next, Hoeh needs to get the solstice from January 6th to December 25th.
It has to move to December 25th. Hoeh must demonize both Epiphany and Christmas or he betrays his ideology. He can't simply say January 6 is the right date or he calls his Apostle a liar! He must move that solstice date. So Hoeh did a little math. January 6 is how many days from December 25? If you count it out, chances are you'll count 12 days. The 12 days of Christmas! Except the Romans counted inclusively, which includes both the start day and the end day, so ancient Romans would have counted 13 days.
Hoeh needs to move the solstice 13 days. Hoeh says it loses a day every , but let's not squabble over the minutiae. I will use his numbers to recreate what he did. We need to multiply years by the number of days Hoeh wants the calendar to move. If we take years and multiply that by 13 the number of days Hoeh needs to move the calendar we get 1, years. It would take 1, years to move the solstice the 13 days from January 6 to December Just round that off to 1, because we are only talking rough numbers anyway.
Now, if the solstice was on January 6 in BC, years later it should be on December 25th. That equates to AD. It was this bad math , not any historical truth, that causes Hoeh to claim the solstice was on December 25th in BC, in Alexander the Great's day. He admits as much! It caused the winter solstice to drop back over the centuries about the rate of one day in about years.
It didn't exist in Alexander's time either. It first existed in Julius Caesar's time - 46 BC. You cannot use the error of this calendar in years before the calendar ever existed! But not only that, Hoeh counted 13 days from January 6 to December Except, until 46 BC December wasn't 13 days from January 6.
December only had 29 days, not In BC, December 25 was 11 days from January 1. Hoeh's math is off by two whole days - which means his math is off by years! If Hoeh had thought through what he was doing, he would have ended up in the 's BC, not the 's. And, as we saw earlier, in the 's BC the solstice wasn't in a month named December, it should have been in a month named February! Truth be told, the real number by which Hoeh's math was off is incalculable.
If Hoeh was the great historian he was held to be, then he knew this without a doubt. Did he get this so very wrong because he didn't know, or because he was deliberately passing on false information? You decide! But the fact remains -- this is official COG doctrine, written by the church historian, published in the flagship church magazine. At first, Hoeh said that the West kept the January 6 tradition alive.
Now Hoeh says the East kept the January 6 tradition alive, and it didn't really catch on in the West. The West observed the date since the time of Alexander, but it never caught on? Then, for some unknowable reason, despite the January 6th date being continually observed since BC, and despite it being in Rome for years, and despite it being church tradition for years, now certain Romans in the west suddenly decided December 25th would be a better day.
Even though December 25th was supposedly the date they received from Alexander the Great. Why would anyone trash 2, years of tradition and suddenly assume December 25th was important? Hoeh says January 6th was the accepted date in that place and time. Then why the sudden change? But Nimrod wasn't born on that day!
He was supposedly born on January 6th according to the "most accurately informed historian in the world". So why change? Hoeh says Nimrod's birthday followed the solstice, but then he amply demonstrates no one seemed to care about the solstice.
If it was tied to the solstice, why did no one celebrate it that way? Know this: December 25 wasn't the literal solstice beyond the first century AD! If the solstice is so important, and for 2, years no one cared about the solstice, and December 25th wasn't the solstice -- then why change from January 6 to December 25?
Hoeh never really tells us why. I'll tell you why. He has to smear both Christmas and Epiphany, and he has to point a finger at Constantine the Great, and that's all that matters. In short there was no change.
Hoeh made it all up! Lest you think perhaps there is some misunderstanding on my part, here's a quote from this article in its edited form run in the Plain Truth "The celebration of January 6 was anciently introduced in Babylon as the birthday of Nimrod before B.
C, when the winter solstice-the shortest day of the year-occurred on that date. Allan McArthur. But the winter solstice did not continue to fall on January 6 because the pagan calendar was not accurate. Are you going to have a Christmas tree in your church this year? Are you going to have one in your house? Are you going to give presents to each other on 25th December in the ambiguous veneration of a multitude of gods, and have you thought of other things you can do that will keep the children happy on that day?
Why did the gods have their birthdays on 25 December? It might have had something to do with the length of the ante-deluvian year, which can be calculated from the story of the Flood as follows:. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. So they had a calendar in which 5 months makes up days, so it appears they had 30 days in each month.
If this was the same for twelve months they would have days in a year, which is 5. Is there any reason to believe that the length of the year might have changed during the Flood? Yes, there might be, because Noah needed reassurance that the seasons would continue: While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
Why should Noah have needed that type of reassurance unless there had been some astronomical changes? If the year was lengthened, it means the earth's orbit had been extended, or the earth's rotation had been speeded up, and in either case the sun, moon and stars would all be rising and setting at different times.
There are various theories about what caused the Flood, and one of them is that a large object from space came close to the earth and had a gravitational effect. This would have caused the "fountains of the great deep" to be broken up, releasing huge quantities of water, but it could have also affected the earth's orbit and rotation, and the tilt of the earth's axis.
Now, it just happens that in Egypt, one of the most ancient civilisations to develop after the Flood, they had a day civil calendar followed by five days of festivities, each representing the birthday of a different god. They were known by the Greeks as the Epagomenal Days, or the "days out of time". When the five days were ended, the new year would begin, but it had to be formally proclaimed by the rising of the star Sirius at dawn, and a sixth day was added if necessary to prevent the seasons from drifting.
The heliacal rising of Sirius occurs in the summer the exact time depending on where you are in the world , so it has nothing to do with the winter festivals that have always occurred elsewhere in the northern hemisphere. The Egyptians were not concerned about summer and winter as we are, they were more concerned with the inundations of the Nile, on which their own agricultural seasons depended.
However, for the purpose of calculating the birthday of the gods, it doesn't matter which calendar you use. You just transport the mythology from one culture to another and you can have the birthday of your god when you want it. Christmas has always been a two-day festival, for as long as anyone can trace it back.
On the first day you give presents to your family and friends, and on the second day there was a tradition of giving Christmas boxes to the poor, so it became known as "Boxing Day". One of these days is always the th day of the year, and the church made it into the birthday of Jesus. After Boxing Day there are five days when nobody knows what to do, until we have the New Year festival. During these five days the shops are open and public transport is running but only just , but otherwise most people are off work and you try to avoid doing anything important because somehow, somebody will screw it up.
Unlike the Egyptians, we are monotheistic and we haven't got any more gods to worship once we are finished with the baby Jesus, so we just potter about looking for things to do. Some people go to the shops looking for post-Christmas bargains while others stay at home watching TV or playing with their toys if they are not already broken.
Otherwise, they are waiting for New Year to end so they can go back to work and earn some money because after Christmas they are broke. Is there any meaning to this festival of day ? If you cut out all the mythology about the birthdays of the gods, the date is derived from the pre-Flood calendar when the length of the year was days.
In that case, if anything is supposed to happen on 25 December, an Ark celebration would make more sense than a celebration of the birth of Christ which never happened on the th day in anybody's calendar.
Since about our family has abandoned Christmas and celebrated the Jewish festival of Hannukah. We don't consider this to be an "alternative Christmas", because to do so would be to degrade a Jewish festival that exists for entirely different reasons. For some time before we abandoned Christmas we were celebrating both Christmas and Hannukah. We celebrated Christmas because we didn't know any better, and we celebrated Hannukah because it represents a historic event that we wanted to remember - the restoration of the Temple in BC, after it had been desecrated by the Hellenistic Syrians.
Then we realised there was something wrong with Christmas, so we abandoned it and continued with Hannukah.
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